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Post Didn't synchronicity come from Hermes who became the Devil
I think in my reading of Jung that synchronicity is a tool of the devil
I mean synchronicity is from the trickster Hermes or Mercurius who
was concretized as the devil is western religion, correct ?

I know I've read somewhere in Jung this idea

and if you google synchronicity you'll find all kinds of people who
have been led astray by following synchronicity ie becoming addicted
to synchronicity

isn't synchronicity a co-merging of good and evil or spirit and matter ?

or God and the Devil ?

I know Jung said Hermes/Mercurius became the devil in the west

maybe I should add synchronicity could be looked upon as a tool of
the devil from a fundamentalist christian perspective

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Since evangelical Christs are completely causal functioning people, or better, magical causally thinking people (intelligent design!), every singular acausal event, the creation and incarnation principle of the world soul, is the devil for them.


This identification with magical causality is nothing else than an identification with the power complex. The ego (they confuse with God) identifies with the causal feasibility. The real problem is thus this feasibility delusion. This is a collective neurosis, if not a psychosis, and thus the real danger for our world.

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Post Jung about continuous creation
Further Jung:

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Synchronicity is no more baffling or mysterious than the discontinuities of physics. It is only the ingrained belief in the souvereign power of causality that creates intellectual difficulties and makes it appear unthinkable that causeless events exist or could ever occur. But if they do, then we must regard them as creative acts, as the continuous creation [creatio continua]. CW 8, § 967


Jung did however not yet see that such a "continuous creation" is not only possible in the field of the mind (what I call conscious spirit-psyche; synchronicity), but also in the field of what I call matter-psyche (subtle body; unus mundus). The UFOs and "ETs" belong to the latter.

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This post is the first answer to will. I erronously deleted it first

Everything that is acausal is the devil's for causalistic thinking people. See the following:

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"Will power is the unconscious background of the causality principle: Behind the principle of cause and effect is of course the idea of the ego, the I, which would like to cause effects and like this to control the world. Further, mathematics – introduced into science in the 17th century by Johannes Kepler – is the causal principle per se[2]. Mathematics requires itself however a developed thinking function. Thus, the causality principle is intimately connected to the Logos consciousness."


http://www.psychovision.ch/hknw/holy_we ... _e.htm#594

and Wolfgang Pauli:

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At the end of the letter, Pauli briefly looks back to the 17th century, to the beginning of natural science with Galilei and Kepler, and mentions that this was the time in which the acausal principle disappeared into the unconscious. As we can see in an earlier letter to Fierz, it was the principle of the medieval world soul (anima mundi) that was repressed, when mathematics entered natural philosophy (see Wolfgang Pauli und die Wiederkehr der Weltseele). This acausal principle of the anima mundi was of extreme importance for Pauli. He writes that it is

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"dasjenige ..., was sich der geistigen, gesetzmässigen (= 'lichten') Ordnung zunächst entzieht. Das ist das Böse im Ethischen (Problem der Integration des Bösen in die Gottheit, etc.), das Akausale in der Naturphilosophie.




English translation:

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"the one that withdraws an intellectual order of laws. It is the evil in ethics (the problem of the integration of evil into the godhead, etc.), the acausal in natural philosophy." [translation mine]


The Fludd/flood synchronicity (see Chapter 2) has shown us, that science should - on a higher level - return to the findings of Robert Fludd. We can guess now, that this recourse must have something to do with a return of the world soul in our times.


http://www.psychovision.ch/synw/jungneo ... otlep4.htm

Since evangelical Christs are completely causally functioning people, or better, magically causally thinking people (intelligent design!), every singular acausal event, the creation and incarnation principle of the world soul, is the devil for them. Thus synchronicity and the acausal creation principle of the world soul must be the devil. Such a thinking is a regression into the magical causality of the Middle Ages, without considering the epistemological insights of quantum physics.

Further, America had never an enlightenment. Thus, the danger that they believe instead of try to understand is much bigger than in "faithless Europe."

Remo

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Wed May 03, 2006 7:26 am
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Post I'm trying to come to an understanding here
I read in The Psychology of The Transference page 24,
" The elusive,
deceptive,ever-changing content that possesses the patient like a demon
now flits about from patient to doctor and,as the third party in the alliance
continues its game,sometimes impish and teasing,sometimes really
diabolical.The alchemists aptly personified it as the wily god of revelation
Hermes or Mercurius;"

(diabloical, impish, character traits of the Devil ?) right ?

Jung goes on,"Yet it would be an althogether unjustifiable suppression of
the truth were I to confine myself to the negative descriptions of
Mercurius' impish drolleries, his inexhaustible invention, his insinuations,
his intriguing ideas and schemes, his ambivalence and-often-his unmistak
able malice"

"the alchemists endowed their Mercurius with the highest spiritual
qualities,although these stand in flagrant contrast to his exceedingly
shady character."


There it is Mercurius-Hermes and his "tricks" ie synchronicity are of
the diabolical or of the Devil

So Jesus Christ according to Jungian ideas being an incomplete being
that is only addressing the good side but not admitting the evil side
would look at synchronicity as being the anti-christ or a tool of the
anti christ

Right ?

will


Wed May 03, 2006 10:00 pm
Post Mercurius as Devil synchronicity as the Devil's tool
I think the case can be made that for Christians synchronicity would
be a tool of the Devil.


more in The Psychology Of The Transference page 28,

" The Chruch as the doctrine of the devil,of an evil principle"



" If as many fain to believe, the unconscious were only nefarious.
only evil. then the situation would be simple and the path clear:do good
and to eschew evil. But what is "good" and what is "evil"? The uncon-
scious is not just evil by nature, it is also the source of the highest good:
not only dark but also light, not only bestial,semi-human,and demonic
but superhuman, spiritual, and, in the classical sense of the word."divine"
The Mercurius who personifies the unconscious is essentially "duplex"
paradoxically dualistic by nature, fiend, monster, beast, and at the same
time panacea, " the philosophers'son," sapientia Dei, and donum Spiritus
Sancti.*

* The alchemists also liken him to Lucifer (bringer of light), God's fallen
and most beautiful angel

Here is it is, synchronicity is from the Devil, Lucifer.

more Jung " all hope of a simple solution is abolished All definitions
of good and evil become suspect or actually invalid."

" The Church would be an ideal solution for anyone seeking a suitable
receptable for the chaos of the unconscious were it not that everything
man-made, however refined, has its imperfections" ( this reminds me of
Godel's ideas')

will


Wed May 03, 2006 10:38 pm
Post so synchronicity is the Devil's tool for christians
Unless christians understand Jungian psychology it would be ill advised
for them to study synchronicity as this is the devil's tool.

How could it be otherwise ?

and synchronicity by definition is a tool of the anti-christ


will


Wed May 03, 2006 11:16 pm
Post Looking into the Mysterium Coniunctionis
Jung of page 187, " This is without doubt the anima mundi who has been
freed from the shackles of matter,
( let me ask you here isn't that what
happens with a synchronicity there is a freedom from "the shackles of
matter" ?) the filius macrocosmi or Mercurius-Anthropos, who, because
of his double nature, is not only spiritual and physical but unites in himself
the morally highest and lowest.The illustration in Pandora points to the
great secret which the alchemists dimly felt was implicit in the Assumption
The proverbial darkness of sublunary matter has always been associated
with the "prince of this world," the devil.

He is the metaphysical figure who is excluded from the Trinity but who,as
the counterpart of Christ, is the sine qua non of the drama of redemption
His equivalent in alchemy is the dark side of Mercurius duplex and, as we
saw, the active sulphur.He also conceals himself in the poinonous dragon
the preliminary chthonic form of the lapis aethereus.To the natural
philosophers of the Middle Ages,and to Dorn in particular, it was perfectly
clear that the triad must be complemented by a fourth,as the lapis had
always been regarded as a quaternity of elements.

" It did not disturb them that this would necessarily involve the evil spirit"


Yet is would cause modern christians to pause as they do not know how
to deal with evil nor synchronicity


Wed May 03, 2006 11:44 pm
Post connecting Hermes to synchronicity
in Mysterium Coniunctionis, page 196 " The cold side of nature is not
lacking in spirit, but it is a spirit of a special kind, which Christianity
regarded as demonic and which therefore found no acclaim except in
the realm of the magical arts and sciences. The spirit is the snake-like
Nous or Agathodiamon, which in Hellenistic syncretism merges together
with Hermes.

I see the statement of above as connecting Hermes to synchronicity

Jung, "Here is a magnificent description of a spirit that is apparently
the exact opposite of the Christian pneuma.This antique spirit is also
the spirit of alchemy, which today we can interpret as the unconscious
projected into heavenly space and external objects."

" Although declared to be the devil by the early Christians,it should not
be identified outright with evil; it merely has the uncomfortable quality of
being beyond good and evil, and it gives this perilous quality to anyone
who identifies with it, as we can see from the eloquent case of Nietzche
and the psychic epidemic that came after him"

Holy shit ! see that's what I'm saying Christians can't handle synchronicity


will
ps check out phoenix lights ufo's I think its the most complete sightings
yet . I met Doctor Lynne Kitei very nice woman who goes out of her way
to help people, she had the experience,very profound.


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Post how to get stuck
Yes, some people, both Christian and otherwise, choose to see things only as they want them to be , as they want to 'see' things - they do this all the time and call this 'synchronicity'. All this really is is a simple case of 'cause and effect', or 'causality' masquerading as 'magic', as Remo basically says above (ie. they THINK a certain way, and hence it IS this way for them - they impose their authority on the world around them). These people are not perceiving the truth which lies BEHIND this 3 dimensional 'reality' of ours, in other words the existence of an 'acausal' dimension, the unus mundus, (wherein truly synchronous things do take place ) at all. They are simply naming things to suit their interpretation of them - a definate case of mistaken identity! Only fear (which is connected to a secret urge for power, for domination) keeps people locked in such an ignorant condition, so the true world of synchronicity (and in fact, true magic, which is discussed in several other threads in regard to the achievement of real Eros consciousness) may be forever closed to them unless they should choose drop their mental constructs, their ideas about how everything works, their opinions, closed belief systems and so on, and learn to 'get free' from the inside out... This is not an easy thing to do in our world, but it is possible.

Some people are SO in need of a true experience of the numinous, of REAL belief, that belief of which the mystics speak (the mystics, who, btw, are the only ones who can, by their experience, prove the existence of 'God/Goddess=Source') that they actually try to 'create' belief by 'believing what they believe' - for instance, by 'having' or 'possessing' religion? A very painful condition of lack, to be sure, and so many are truly suffering from this addiction to causality (=authority).


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Post Re: how to get stuck
kristin wrote:
Yes, some people, both Christian and otherwise, choose to see things only as they want them to be , as they want to 'see' things - they do this all the time and call this 'synchronicity'. All this really is is a simple case of 'cause and effect', or 'causality' masquerading as 'magic', as Remo basically says above (ie. they THINK a certain way, and hence it IS this way for them - they impose their authority on the world around them). These people are not perceiving the truth which lies BEHIND this 3 dimensional 'reality' of ours, in other words the existence of an 'acausal' dimension, the unus mundus, (wherein truly synchronous things do take place ) at all. They are simply naming things to suit their interpretation of them - a definate case of mistaken identity! Only fear (which is connected to a secret urge for power, for domination) keeps people locked in such an ignorant condition, so the true world of synchronicity (and in fact, true magic, which is discussed in several other threads in regard to the achievement of real Eros consciousness) may be forever closed to them unless they should choose drop their mental constructs, their ideas about how everything works, their opinions, closed belief systems and so on, and learn to 'get free' from the inside out... This is not an easy thing to do in our world, but it is possible.

Some people are SO in need of a true experience of the numinous, of REAL belief, that belief of which the mystics speak (the mystics, who, btw, are the only ones who can, by their experience, prove the existence of 'God/Goddess=Source') that they actually try to 'create' belief by 'believing what they believe' - for instance, by 'having' or 'possessing' religion? A very painful condition of lack, to be sure, and so many are truly suffering from this addiction to causality (=authority).


Kristin


Hmmm…

I do not really think that all this is a pure question of will. The people you describe do not really choose their situation, no more than I chose to be what I am, that is to say a loony administering a forum where raving mad talks are taking place. :lol: :lol:

I guess that’s the way Nature works, for unknown reasons (for sure, I believe it is acausal!) some people take the right path and some (far fewer) other the left one.

Of course, one can always make the decision to try and see if one’s world conception could not be different, but even then nobody will do it without being cornered. Only some real suffering can bring such a radical shift.

I will not blame people for what they are, but I will not sustain them either. When someone comes to see me and says ‘I suffer like hell’, I reply: ‘You do not know how lucky you are, let’s see what we can do, if you wish.’

Of course a majority of people will hide their sufferings rather than plunge into the shit, that’s the reason why our beautiful planet is getting so foul nowadays. But I am quite sure also that no chrysalis wants to become a butterfly, because it means suffering and dying at what it is. And many die without ever knowing the joy of flying.

Maybe we, here, are lucky because possibly we see a little further than the community; maybe. But more consciousness means more responsibility, and in the domain we are talking of there is no real opening for preaching, is there?

The multiplicatio eventually happens through the depth of our inner non-willing involvement…

Best

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Kristin I'm saying christians having a synchronicitic a-causal event
defined by you,would still say it was diabolical from the devil.Its not
that the christians couldn't see,feel the a-causual event. No that's not
what defines synchronicity as diabolical.

I'm saying by its very existential-phenomenology a synchronistic
event is an anti-christian phenomena as defined by its reality,but it
does not have to be.
Now synchronicity could be a christian event if it was vouchsafed by
the church and a group of christian peoples.This synchronicity would
have to completely be under control of christian dogma or lead to that
state of grace,within the christian perspective.A miracle by chrisitan
standards would have to be the result of a synchronicity in order for
a synchronicity to be accepted by christians*

and by their christian standards they are right .Now for you and jungians
a synchronicity can be beyond good and evil.Not for a christian
they would call that sychronisitic event a tool of the devil

will
ps I'm sorry I'm in a hurry today and can't give this enought time


* you can google synchronicity and see where its lead people astray
so some people following
synchronicity had been led astray by the trickster and people
have become addicted to sychronicities and have lost jobs, relationships
etc.

so I say some synchronicities can lead you to being 'tricked' by the event
itself and you can make a fool of yourself by following synchronicity
and this can turn into personal evil for you. Synchronicity can lead to
addiction and that's the devil in the details

shiting only shiting the anus cleans itself. will saying


Thu May 04, 2006 5:32 pm
Post synchronicity is an illusion created by the demon
I think its wrong to say synchronicity is dialectical an ongoing move-
ment of thesis-antithesis-synthesis that will eventually resolve all
contradiction.The world is sworn to extremes not to equilibrum, sworn
to radical antagonism (the christian realizes this) not to reconciliation
or synthesis This is also the principle of Evil


synchronicity is a screen upon which the Devil projects his diabolical
system.The function of God is to repudiate this evil phantom

synchronicity theory seeks to replace all illusions with just one, its
own which then becomes the reality principle

For the christian, one their goals is purification i.e. distilling good from
evil, light from darkness, God from Demon,spirit from matter the opposite
of where synchronicity will lead you

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Hey Roger, Will, All -

I am a bit confused as to the response to my words above. I guess what I said didn't at all come across the way I meant it to. Oh well. I hope you do not misunderstand my aim. Of course it is always ridiculous to 'preach' anything at all - that is one of the first secrets of living. Opinions are just that. Basically it is a personal story every time, this life, so we can't have much to say at all about anyone elses situation or condition.

The use of the quality of will to try and 'make' things happen was actually not what I was referencing above. I was merely musing about what it might be that drives some people to try so hard to understand what is happening 'out there', which can lead them into believing some things which may or may not be helpful in the long run (this was based on Will's speculations, which I was attempting to address). We have all experienced this situation - it is just what happens due to being human. But a person can seldom ever know what will end up helping someone else. The suffering you speak of Roger is really what happens and what ends up being our best ally in the end, as you say. So the thing is to attend to the inner personal work and not to try so hard to speculate about what is going on 'out there'. This is basically what I was refering to in my post. I hope it did not offend anyone.

Anything I say in this forum is something I have experienced myself, including at one time hoping very hard for synchronous events to occur in my life when I was actually not open enough to really recognize the true 'flow' of the journey as it is and always will be quite yet, or I would certainly never reference such ideas here. I guess I was thinking of synchronicity in a very personal respect, where perhaps the larger sense of Synchronicity, the synchronicity that happens to everyone regardless of what we may or may not be open to, is what you were speaking of. The so-called synchronicity I was referencing is the kind where you might THINK that things are happening to you which are not, like when you become obessive about something you really wish would happen and therefore then believe that you can actually see it happening. This is a dangerous thing, and can be addictive. It is not the true synchronicity, the kind which is real and of course outside our control (or 'will')! Needless to say, I don't believe in pointing a finger. It is certainly not my way.

A good mantra I really like: it is better to understand than to be understood. One of the best for sure.


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kristin wrote:
The so-called synchronicity I was referencing is the kind where you might THINK that things are happening to you which are not, like when you become obessive about something you really wish would happen and therefore then believe that you can actually see it happening. This is a dangerous thing, and can be addictive. It is not the true synchronicity, the kind which is real and of course outside our control (or 'will')! Needless to say, I don't believe in pointing a finger. It is certainly not my way.


I guess the "little difference" is the power aspect. If someone thinks that they can use synchronicity to do some charm, then it will destroy them. Such a human most likely ends in a psychosis.

I am further convinced that only the Eros ego can really experience synchronicities. The Logos is too much identical with the will power, and thus tries to manipulate things. We know only two synchronicities of Carl Jung. In both ones he was in an altered state of consciousness (without being conscious about).

The will power aspect we discussed once in the thread Synchronicity and Schizophrenia in the departed cgjungpage/forum.

Remo

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kristin wrote:
Hey Roger, Will, All -

I am a bit confused as to the response to my words above. I guess what I said didn't at all come across the way I meant it to. Oh well. I hope you do not misunderstand my aim. Kristin


No worry Kristin, we are on the same track...

kristin wrote:
The use of the quality of will to try and 'make' things happen was actually not what I was referencing above. I was merely musing about what it might be that drives some people to try so hard to understand what is happening 'out there', which can lead them into believing some things which may or may not be helpful in the long run (this was based on Will's speculations, which I was attempting to address).
Kristin


I guess the collective extraverted attitude you are pointing at is the necessary process mankind has to go through in order hopefully to reintroject the energy involved by a withdrawal of the projection. But as I wrote somewhere else in this forum it takes much more time and implies many more dangers for the species at the collective level than at the individual one. This would explain why there always have been some few people more conscious working in the solitude of their privacy.

Roger

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The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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All this is well and good, but does not address my questions.I have to
assume you three are incapable of dealing with this 'reality'.This is of
course understandable many are called, few are chosen. I think Carl
Jung would agree with me on this.


" Heaven, earth, hell ( like sulphur, mercurius, sal) is a false traid:
earth is dual, consisting of the light world above and the shadow
world below)" Mysterium Coniunctionis page 184


" The "cold" side of nature is not lacking in spirit, but it is a spirit of a
special kind, which Christianity regarded as demonic and which there
fore found no acclaim except in the realm of the magical arts and
sciences.This spirit is the snake-like Nous or Agathodaimon, which in
Hellenistic syncretism merges together with Hermes."

" Here is a magnificent description of a spirit ( magic papyrus of paris)
that is apparently the exact opposite of the Christian pneuma"

I think we can say here the anti christ pneuma of Hermes

Mysterium Coniunctionis page 484, " But Mercurius is also the devil."

Further proof Mercurius-Hermes tool i.e. synchronicity is a devil's trick by
Christian standard's and cannot be followed

" Osiris, the alchemical interpretation of him as Mercurius has its
parallel in the Naassene comparison of Osiris to Hermes.Like the
latter, he was represented ithyphallically, and this is significant in regard
to the monocolus.He is the dying and resurgent God-man and hence a
parallel to Christ. He is of blackish colour and was therefore called
Aithiops, in Christian usage the devil, in alchemical language the prima
materia."

Again Hermes-Mercurius as the Devil

Under Mercurius in Mysterium Coniunctionis

page 38, " The " black sulphur" is a pejorative name for the active,
masculine substance of Mercurius and points to its dark, saturnine
nature, which is evil."


" who from the Christian point of view is the devil. He is the activated
darkness of matter "

There you are Remo : proof synchronicities are spirit and matter mani-
pulated by the Devil

I can go on and on here but what's the point if you refuse to see
because you're locked into your "ideology" and can't use hermeneutics
to free yourselves from your own dogma

will " many are called few are chosen"

ps on synchronicity let me say in the words of William Irwin Thompson

" Even a positive thing casts a shadow....its unique excellence is at the
same time its tragic flaw."


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will wrote:
All this is well and good, but does not address my questions.I have to
assume you three are incapable of dealing with this 'reality'.This is of
course understandable many are called, few are chosen. I think Carl
Jung would agree with me on this.


will


Will,

I have not tried to 'address your question' yet simply because I have not been able to see what the question really was, certainly due to my poor English and maybe to what you seem to reproach me, that is my incapability to deal with 'reality'?

Now, could you rephrase your question in a a couple of synthetic sentences, that would help us a lot.

Thanks

Roger

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The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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will wrote:
... many are called, few are chosen. I think Carl
Jung would agree with me on this.


Yes, will, the trouble is that no one knows who is called and who is chosen... It is not a matter of thinking, but of feeling. And it seems that some of us do feel different than you do ...

Remo

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Fri May 05, 2006 5:24 pm
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Roger, excuse me you've changed a hundred percent from the way you
used to be on the old cgjung page. I do not wish to repoach you or
anyone else here per se.Its just that it looks for my perspective that
you all are evading my questions which seem simple enough

did not Carl Jung say synchronicity came from Hermes-Mercurius
known as the trickster who became the Devil in western christian
religion ?

Yes or NO did Jung say that or not ?

with all due respect to remo yourself and kristin

Dominus vobiscum,
will


Fri May 05, 2006 6:10 pm
Post You're falling over your own shadows
You need to consider the possibility of "harmful or even fatal " synchron
istic occurrences
I suggest you start by reading Jule Eisenbud, in Alan Vaughan's book
Incredible Coincidences


Some synchronicities instead of bringing a feeling ( you're into feelings)
of togetherness and harmony, may actually engender just the opposite
feelings of utter discord. This is called " bad omens"



will

those who can't learn are bound to repeat their mistakes over again,that
is if you can't see the shadow in synchronicity you can't see the devil in
the details

you see synchronicity does not escape duality

Its like you're stuck in your metaphor of synchronicity like you see it
by its denotation not its connotation,whereas the connotation of synchron
icity allows for its duality to emerge towards wholeness which is good and
evil. Then can one go "beyond good and evil" of Nietzsche otherwise as
you are now You're Stuck ! and there is no way around it.

I have to pause here and have a good laugh, as connotation refers
to the emotional and psychological associations a word carries with it
in this case the word synchronicity of which the connotation of it goes
beyond its strict meaning to express the feelings,thoughts and images
the word suggests or evokes such as "bad omens" devil, trickster just
as Jung explained hermeneutically,phenomenologically.........


Schizophrenia may be a necessary consequence of literacy
Marshall McLuhan


Fri May 05, 2006 7:45 pm
Post Salt
in Mysterium Coniunctionis page 248 Bolligen Series XX

Jung, " Confirmation of our interpretation of salt as Eros ( i.e., as a
feeling relationship) is found in the fact that the bitterness is the origin
of the colours ( par.245) We have only to look at the drawings and paint
ings of patients who supplement their analysis by active imagination to
see that colours are feeling-values


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Quote:
Roth and company now want to move into the one-sidedness of the
queen
Life wants not only the clear (logos) but also the muddy (eros)
not only the bright but also the dark
Roth and company however can't
see that, with their obsession for the eros only. Which shows they are out
of balance.


Will,

the simple fact that this forum exists where people exchange ideas using words is enough to show that the Logos aspect is alive, acknowledged and used.

I do not think that the word obsession is proper either. You see: things are happening around us that show the dead-end of the unilateral development of the Logos side. We could very soon all disappear because of that. So what you call an obsession is to my mind a very safe interest in what could permit to avoid a very big catastrophee.

Now, what are you afraid of?

Best

Roger

PS: I would really appreciate, as much as a poster as the admin of this board, that we avoid using any useless aggressive tone in our posts.

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Post yada,yada
What am I afraid of ?

Feelings ? This site since I posted synchronicity has not shown me
any feelings it's been all intellectual and no feeling.

and any emotion that resembles' feeings towards me has been negative
sort of like ( What you don't get it ? come on )

I can only guess I don't count in your lemming- like march to the sea

oh well, let god sort it out.....

You're only locked into a duality where for you all its an escape to Eros
Island "Its the plane,the plane " says Herve Villechaize as Tatoo.No,no
says Ricardo Montaban as Mr. Roarke its an arrow of love from Eros.

whatever

and its not only a loss of feeling you suffer from, it's also a case of
Trompe l'oeil- you have invented a simulated real, which henceforth
supplants the real and is the final solution a virtual universe from which
everything dangerous and negative has been expelled (or is about to be)
as in "obsession"


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Well, actually I think that what's understood here is that we all face a very dangerous task in order to proceed to a new location, and that is to face our feelings, be they difficult or even dark. If we can face our feelings of disappointment, we can come to understand that nothing is actually unfair at all, it is only that we VIEW things as being unfair. We have to try to withdraw our projections onto other people and onto situations and learn to be more receptive, less needy. We must proceed past the point where we are always using the world and other peoples opinions as our starting point, and begin to look deep within ourselves for the real answers. This is no easy job, but luckily we are all in it together. The answers come to us by the method of self-observation in the form of dreams, visions and intuitions.

So really, everything that is dangerous, so-called, has neither been expelled from our own personal work of integration nor from the insights offered on this forum. I figure that everyone who comes on this forum is their own person and that we just happen to be writing back and forth on the site because we are all interested in the same outcome, which is to gain a genuine perspective into our own problems, and perhaps, therefore, some insight into the problems the world now faces, thus to join together in assembling a new view of what could come to be. We would like to see a new possibility for this world of ours. I think most people who are interested in the Unus Mundus forum generally believe that all sorts of things are happening on many levels of reality, and most of us just want to speculate on what these things might be, how they might impact all of us, and what part we might play in the proceedings. I don't think anyone here wants to supplant the 'real' that we know of, as it comprises our existence here in the third-dimension. For my part, I am interested in this world and in other worlds, whatever they may be, as well. Finally, it has always been a personal choice to take part in the forum, not an effort by some secret group or club of people who are playing a game of 'us against them'. I don't know any of the people on the forum at all, but I am interested in cooperating with open-minded people to whatever end we might discover. That is the way of the world, after all, to explore together to see what can be discovered. It's definately a peaceful way to interact, and possibly constructive as well, at least I have found it to be most constructive and emotionally supportive in my here experience sofar.



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Post Hi Will!
I guess Kristin has talked to you as a poster to another one, and I share her views. What she wrote coulb be posted in the rules of the forum.

Now obviously you feel disappointed and rejected because nobody replied to your posts.

I am sincerely sorry about that. The point is that, for myself, I am very slow at posting and have to wait for things to come up from the inside. Further, either I am touched by a post or not and I cannot force myself to talk about things I am not attracted by.

What I was expecting when you began your thread was some kind of demonstration leading to the expression of your own feelings as regards the eventual conclusion of your demonstration.

I was quite surprised when you asked 'us' (as if 'we' were all knowledge) the question you were trying to answer with numerous quotations from Jung. I really did not get the point.

Do you see what I mean?


Best

Roger

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THE IMAGE of THE CAULDRON.
Thus the superior man consolidates his fate By making his position correct.
The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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Well thanks Roger, Kritin.

that's a nicer feeling

will


Mon May 08, 2006 6:31 pm
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