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 The 11:11 Phenomenon 
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Post black-noir = 11-11
Jan (and everybody),
I've studied during ten years Hebrew and Cabbala (84 to 94), then I came to Rabelais and Vergilius, always finding patterns of quaternity and quintessence.
In 96 I decided to study more modern texts, with the skill I developed elsewhere.
The first thing that came to my mind was Vowels, by Rimbaud, about the 4 vowels AEIU crowned by O mega, but not a single relation did appear.
Then I thought Perec did a lipogrammatic version of Vowels, without E, and this poem had
112 words and the total gematria
6272 = 112 x 56
The meaning of the poem is quite changed and reduces to the opposition between BLACK A (A NOIR), and unexisting WHITE E (UN BLANC, a void).
The value of NOIR is 56, and there are 56 A in the poem.
I'm not used to do reductions like 56 = 5+6 = 11,
but it is funny that BLACK = 29 = 2+9 = 11

Perec wrote this without calculating anything, and I sometimes experience such a numerical creativity.
12 years after this finding about vowels reduced from 5 to 4, I woke up with the feeling that Jung's 4/4/44 was at the 4/5ths of his life, I checket it and found the unit of the pattern was 6272 (days, and around 4 hours).
6272 was then the days Jung lived from 4/4/44 to 6/6/61.


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Post IIII and ogham
Jan your synch with Attanasio and the crow has a deep echo with what I wrote on last 8/31 on my blog, about the TVfilm that was made from the Jungian novel that I read on 8/31/8, where a man dreamed of a round island, and his search led him to Thera, which was earlier strongylé, 'Round' :
στρογγυλή
According to Greek numeral alphabet, this 9-letters word has the value 1114, but it is composed of 8 different letters adding up to 1111.
The TVfilm, through coincidences that I feel unable to translate properly, (see here in French
http://quaternite.blogspot.com/2009/08/ ... noirs.html
led me to read again Robert Graves' White Goddess, and today I feel much things with Ogham letters,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogham
of which the 15 consonants are made of 1 to 5 strokes
- Right side/downward for BLFSN (it can be read vertically or horizontally)
- Left side/upward for HDTCQ (which are too initial of Gaelic numbers 1-2-3-4-5)
- Across/pendicular for MGNgZR
The vowels AOUEI came later as notches, still 1 to 5.
In the TVfilm was shown the round island in the man's dream, and then a woman reading a Greek paper named BHMA (pictures on my blog), in Greek letters which are too the four ogham letters written with a single stroke, I I I I...
The 11:11 phenomena is often written with strokes close to Roman digit I, which is too a letter, the Greek Iota which spells
ἰῶτα = 1111, following Greek numerals (10-800-300-1), = the 8 letters of στρο(γ)γυλή...

The ogham letters written left, right, or on the line make me think of the simplest definition of a Lucas term, referring Fibonacci sequence :
Ln = Fn-1 + Fn+1
That's not a mere trick, and there are whole pure math books describing the properties of the two sequences.
So Fibo numbers of ranks 6 to 9 are 8-13-21-34, and to Fibo
21-13 (ranks of letters UM) correspond Lucas
47-29 (ranks of UM members me and Author AA Attanasio) [47 =13+34; 29 = 8+21]

Hope I didn't bore... That was to explain how year 2113 is striking in AAA's first novel, it's the year where causality is forgotten as a ruling principle, and this causality was supported by a group of scientists formed in 2009 (the book was written in 1980), named the CIRCLE (that's an acronym).
The ogham alphabet was presented in mandala patterns, like circles :
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There are four letters that are written with four strokes, IIII, SCZE.
They might form the word CZES, another writing of Czech,
or ZECS, which makes me think of sex and German sechs, 'six', another way to reach Seal of Solomon through quaternity...

At the bottom of the forum screen, I felt disturbed by these asymmetric 5 and 4 strokes :
| | | | | RF Roth Psychovision | | | |

Consonants SCZ appear in my own name, SChulZ...
I knew letters HUL did form Hebrew words, but I had to check. Not finding the biblical lexicon I fetched the modern Hebrew one, where HUL is said meaning 'to turn in ROUND'...
In biblical Hebrew it's either 'sand', either a hapax in Job 29,18, which became later a mythic bird, said to have been the only animal not to have eaten the tree of knowledge. So it does not know sex, it lives 1000 years, then becomes an egg, and so on...

I didn't know this would take me so far. To come back to the crow, Robert Graves led me to ogham letter M standing for MORVRAN, Gaelic sea-crow, cormoran. That would be too long to explain how it's fantastic to me.

To come back to BHMA, French translater of Graves suggests ogham alphabet might come from the 5 sons of king Pandu, halfgods whose one was Bhima. I learned that after I found an old Tarot arcan 12 where "LE PENDU" was written "LE PANDU" (A and E are Black and White following Rimbaud)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandava
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Post wIllIam frIedkIn
I suddenly thought that, in the 1980 film I saw yesterday,
http://unus-mundus.fr/viewtopic.php?p=8300#8300
where were shown 2 pictures from the Red Book, it happened just before the stop at 72' on the streaming site. And if ?
Yes ! The book is opened at time 1:11:09 and closed at time 1:11:16. At time 1:11:11 the camera is sliding from one picture to the other, see right below :

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Here's the link, but I'm afraid it can't work in other countries, but there are other straming sites :
http://www.toostreaming.net/La-Chasse-- ... -6342.html


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Yes, very impressive!

I dreamed this night that as a present I was given a golden wrist watch. Engraved in it: "C. G. Jung." Obviously Jung's own golden watch.

My association was "Jungzeit," (Jung time), the name of a bi-annual journal of a Jungian group. In 1998 I wrote in it an obituary for Marie-Louise von Franz, in which I mentioned that she yet learned doing BCI ...

Together with the synchronicity with 11:11 above, I would say that all this means that Jung in the Beyond would like that his theory is enlarged to Hermetics.

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To understand the meaning of the sync better, I quote Sang:

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I see that they are from the Red Book. The first one is on p. 115. The image legend, which is not visible on your picture above but is present in the Red Book is translated on p 302 as:

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"This is the golden fabric in which the shadow of God lives."


The other picture is on p. 129. If I'm not mistaken, it is a picture of a Serpent who gives Jung a "magical rod", from the section "The Gift of Magic" in the Red Book.


In Jung's terminology "God" is the (Logos) Self. In my terminology the shadow of the Logos Self is the Eros Self, the anima mundi, the world soul.

The snake is the backbone. We have to abandon the head (the Logos) and in the backbone go down to the belly, to the Eros Self.

This is Hermetic magic as a continuation of Carl Jung's depth psychology.

Already in 2005 I published about all this. See http://www.psychovision.ch/hknw/holy_we ... _e.htm#486

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Post Abandoning the head to become the Eros Self
Remo Roth wrote:
To understand the meaning of the sync better, I quote Sang:

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I see that they are from the Red Book. The first one is on p. 115. The image legend, which is not visible on your picture above but is present in the Red Book is translated on p 302 as:

Quote:
"This is the golden fabric in which the shadow of God lives."


The other picture is on p. 129. If I'm not mistaken, it is a picture of a Serpent who gives Jung a "magical rod", from the section "The Gift of Magic" in the Red Book.


In Jung's terminology "God" is the (Logos) Self. In my terminology the shadow of the Logos Self is the Eros Self, the anima mundi, the world soul.

The snake is the backbone. We have to abandon the head (the Logos) and in the backbone go down to the belly, to the Eros Self.

This is Hermetic magic as a continuation of Carl Jung's depth psychology.

Already in 2005 I published about all this. See http://www.psychovision.ch/hknw/holy_we ... _e.htm#486

Remo

Good Morning, Remo, We`were both posting around 6:30 AM my time in Virginia. Jan and I had an interesting image synchronicity over on the Dream-BCI thread.

http://unus-mundus.fr/viewtopic.php?p=8328#8328

I have been trying to figure out when I first had a dream-vision relating to Lee, metaphorically I assume, having his brain in a vat. It had to be back when I was nannying some years ago before I ever came here to the forum. The day it happened, a sick baby who was having trouble breathing due to a bad cold was sleeping on my shoulder while I had to stay still in a wide and safe chair until the mom got home. I dozed off for about 5 minutes during this time. I was out of myself kind of gliding and wondering about what had happened to my One and Only since his death in 1990. I did a flying swoop through a cemetery area but saw only batches of large bubbles gurgling up into the air like I could not find the remains of the real him there. A startling image then happened briefly of a large yellow bulldozer like thing hurdling told me dangerously but then vanished. Much to my surprise, next I was walking along a corridor in some institution, and his brain was supposedly being kept in a vat at the University of Virginia as part of some kind of survival after death experiment. When I opened my eyes, I thought, that is kind of nuts, what did it mean? That evening as I was going home, as I approached a traffic light intersection, a large yellow bulldozer was actually coming straight toward my car in my lane, but it was safely on the other side across from where I was turning out of the way. That synchronicity with the dream then caused me to take the message of the brain in the vat more seriously.

Anyhow, I posted on this theme to you a few days ago.

Suzanne Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:20 am

Off with our heads! - a message from the One & Only

Hi Remo, Well, I have never posted about this before because it was too crazy. I would write to Ann about such things sometimes by E-mail. Last year the One and Only started repeating in his communications that he has no head. I took that to mean something related to "The Brain in a Vat" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat concept about our living perhaps in some form of illusory matrix. However, one of the small children, I come into contact with occasionally, handed me one day a note that actually said, "I hav no hed." I double checked by asking her to read it to me aloud. She did indeed mean no head, but she could not give an explanation for why she was saying it. Then I knew something was happening for sure as a message from the Beyond and was not just my own imagination. Anyhow, when Lee and I go on our inner journeys, sometimes they are like "lucid dreams", and we talk (telepathically) back and forth while going through various scenes. There is another very distinct type of experience where he starts off by saying something along these lines, "Shhh, no talking now, no words, no thinking, just observe, only witness what you see... " He also has given instructions similar to something Roger has said about a sense of humility....

REST OF POST with marvelous sculpture of merging couple with no heads:

http://unus-mundus.fr/viewtopic.php?p=8254#8254

Suzanne

P.S. Plus the no head couple in their merged union have what might as well be a single backbone. :lol:

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Post Re: Abandoning the head to become the Eros Self
Suzanne

Sorry that I did not answer to your post in the other thread yet. The sculpture was really impressive. We can have a relationship with people in the Beyond when we have the courage to abandon the head brain and enter the belly brain.

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P.S. Plus the no head couple in their merged union have what might as well be a single backbone. :lol:


Yes, this is a symbol of what I mostly experience when people do Body-Centered Imagination in my presence: One begins to feel as a unity. Some sort of a coniunctio, however without sex. Perhaps the other ones make it in the Beyond :twisted:

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Post Re: The Other One
Junis wrote:
By 'the other one' do you mean the devil, or the particular deceased?


I mean the king and the queen of Hermetic alchemy (the other ones).

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By the 'carnal' aspect, which can't be ommited in these communications with the beyond, I meant a corporeal aspect, not literal carnal sex. Still these experiences of 'coniunctios' with the beyond, for me, have a lot to do with a transformation of the energy in the svadhisthana. Maybe it is redirected into the heart chakra, rendering it an eros not a carnal sex state, but this EROS does have a distinct corporeal aspect. If the svadhisthana is 'afflicted' in some may by 'negative' experiences or has been repressed for a long time then these coniunctios with the beyond seem to take on a very 'demonic' hue, and are perceived as 'demonic possession' lacking the healing aspect. This also happens if the BCI is forced by willpower, f.e. by a hypnotist or in an actual sexual relationship.


I know processes (in men as well as in women), in which the inner Hermetic alchemy began with the demand of the dreams, of the "unconscious," to begin with sex -- carnal sex with "women" and/or "men" in the otherworld. The important aspect is not to mix all this up with the sexual relationship of this world.

I think that Crowley and others did exactly this, since first they were power-possessed and second because they did not know the "unconscious" or the unus mundus behind it.

Perhaps I will once describe such processes here. For the moment I still hesitate.

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Still these experiences of 'coniunctios' with the beyond, for me, have a lot to do with a transformation of the energy in the svadhisthana. Maybe it is redirected into the heart chakra, rendering it an eros not a carnal sex state, but this EROS does have a distinct corporeal aspect.


The trouble is that the "preconscious knowledge of the unconscious" (C.G. Jung) sometimes asks you for incredibly cruel things, as for example for rape. When concretized, one can have a look at what I mean on porno sites. I do not yet understand why this is so, but it is a fact that it is. The most important thing is not to live out all this concretely.

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There is a writer called Stan Gooch, who is a psychologist with strong natural psychic abilities. He locates the unconscious (which he sees in broadly Jungian terms) in the cerebellum, and believes that the Self located there is responsible for paranormal phenomena. He describes his own experiences with succubi (emanating from his unconscious mind as he believes), and finds it pretty good!

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Post Re: The Other One(s) - from the woman point of view
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Junis wrote:
By 'the other one' do you mean the devil, or the particular deceased?


I mean the king and the queen of Hermetic alchemy (the other ones).

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By the 'carnal' aspect, which can't be ommited in these communications with the beyond, I meant a corporeal aspect, not literal carnal sex. Still these experiences of 'coniunctios' with the beyond, for me, have a lot to do with a transformation of the energy in the svadhisthana. Maybe it is redirected into the heart chakra, rendering it an eros not a carnal sex state, but this EROS does have a distinct corporeal aspect. If the svadhisthana is 'afflicted' in some may by 'negative' experiences or has been repressed for a long time then these coniunctios with the beyond seem to take on a very 'demonic' hue, and are perceived as 'demonic possession' lacking the healing aspect. This also happens if the BCI is forced by willpower, f.e. by a hypnotist or in an actual sexual relationship.


I know processes (in men as well as in women), in which the inner Hermetic alchemy began with the demand of the dreams, of the "unconscious," to begin with sex -- carnal sex with "women" and/or "men" in the otherworld. The important aspect is not to mix all this up with the sexual relationship of this world.

I think that Crowley and others did exactly this, since first they were power-possessed and second because they did not know the "unconscious" or the unus mundus behind it.

Perhaps I will once describe such processes here. For the moment I still hesitate.

Remo

Hi to Remo and all you other men currently posting about this carnal topic. I do not have to be real shy about discussing these issues because on the whole I have had a rather tame sex life. By certain narrow Fundamentalist standards, I may have been a wayward woman in some ways, but it is safe to say that actually I have been less engrossed in the carnal than a very large percentage of the general population. Therefore, I do not have to be overly embarrassed at my age of going on 66 in December to discuss these matters in some detail with you guys. After all, it's for the benefit of your soul development! :lol:

I do not think it is advisable for anyone to be screwing around with the inhabitants of the Beyond or the In-Between realms. The succubi, or whatever names they sometimes get called, can wind up almost literally sucking the life out of you. Some live humans also have this draining effect by way of sex or even just by emotional and psychological domination of their prey. We could use a term such as psychic vampires to describe the process. I have a lot better understanding of this than last year when I first posted this picture:

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Like Jan just said in his most recent post, he has to pull himself away from our fascinating synchronicities and go do something ordinary in the real world. Fortunately I have my husband's cognitive and medical problems and my responsibility for my grandchildren each week day to keep me in balance and not too far off perpetually into the inner realms. I have to leave now from home until this evening. For those folks who never saw my original post here at the forum about the vampire picture above, here is the link:

http://unus-mundus.fr/viewtopic.php?p=5944#5944

P.S. I have some evidence that the entity that appears to communicate with me is the surviving consciousness of the man I knew during his lifetime as Lee. He has taught me some more sophisticated ways over the last year of how to communicate with him in words although we do a lot of the wordless observing in the other realms as well. Here is something he has said during our exchanges in words:

"There is a difference between feeding on one another and nourishing one another."

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Jan, All:

it just seems to me that whether the subject concerns those obsessed by will-power, dabbling in some form of occult projection, or those attempting to describe an alternative to such eruptions of the power complex, genuinely attempting to see beyond all the fundamentalism and concretization of this world, human conjecture still occurs within the limited boundaries of the BOX or 'grid' of this existence. Here I detect a possible essential conflict between the notion of a collective unconscious and the understanding of what can be meant by the idea of an Unus Mundus, a Beyond. I believe Remo has referred to this subtle incongruity before somewhere, where he suggested that Carl Jung's theory of the collective unconscious is not co-resonant perhaps with Pauli's 'Unus Mundus' discussion. The Unus Mundus aspect seems to be 'beyond the grid', but the notin of a collective unconscious seems terribly muddied by the feet of all and sundry, hence stuck if a sort of intermediate 'astral' realm, where it in any case CAN and WILL become contaminated by whatever apparitions we have continually imbued with power... Well, this is quite hard to express, but mainly I am saying that once one truly finds oneself initiating through, for want of a better description, shamanic descent (vs that sort of kundalini enhanced trip up through the crown chakra) into a place "outside the grid", the parameters of this world, then one can immediately come to terms with 'everything' and no longer requires to understand anymore much in fact anything of the process that goes on. Here one then moves/flows in more a state of appreciation and observation now, no matter what ones original typology might have been (one's adjustment to the grid of this life ie). When this sensibility becomes more and more the norm for a person then, all of the post-observational analysis, the concern, then simply ebbs, dissolves. We no longer feel inclined as much to link the connections we encounter in our ongoing process anymore. I take this to signal an arrival at the location of dao, wherein doing nothing, in fact (as opposed simply to the notion of 'doing less') results in right action when action is truly necessary and otherwise lends itself to a sort of acceptance which surpasses the need to continue to interact for the moment. This sounds of couse like a heavy introversion, but to my mind, it constitutes introversion at a higher level of negentropy! If we can get with 'matter', no longer confusing it with actual concretization, and we can get with 'spirit', but not arrive at some inflation, things start to become clearer for us..

Of course, as a philosophical aim, discussion is a necessity, and the forum is after all a place for us to discuss such things. But I think now of the talk given by MLvF in her lectures on Alchemy, where she describes a person who has finally individuated to the extent that their actions are no longer viewed by others as being consistent (expected!), but instead seem to retain now an alien sort of authenticism consistent with the inherant state of wholeness of the intergrated self. Thus, one day such a intergrated sort might enjoy ice cream, while on another he/she can happily turn away from it. Quite different from our normal state of affairs here on earth, where we usually have people hung-up on one favourite or another, in a sort of unconscious egocentrism of desire for definition (always craving strawberry ice cream, 'it is my' favourite they will insist, for instance, and then also always being bound to take it every time such an item is available or offered, instead of perhaps one day not being much interested in eating/taking it, becoming able to change in the moment to something else perhaps...) -- . This kind of thing is precipitated it seems by the need to continually differentiate ourselves from the person standing next to us. It is naturally mainly fear and the urge to security that creates such favouritisms and a consistency of desires. Once however we manage to see outside of the 'box' of relation within the confines of this grid of existence, we no longer require to associate 'from' such a narrow place. Here at the center or HUB, everything IS anything, and everything is also nothing at all, which provides an instant relief from the usual overweeing urge to expression via logos, for instance, or the urge to 'more' of 'the same', in any case.

We've talked about this before, in many different ways, but it comes to me here more potently again, at this juncture (the fork in the Fool's road) as if to remark -- relax, in the words of "Frankie Goes to Hollywood", "don't do it/when you want to get to it" ('it' being the coniunctio, which one neither concretizes into the actual physical sex act, nor however sublimates/represses within, but on the contrary 'actively/inactively' participates in -- herein lying the trick, which in any case is a rare trick indeed!).

As MLvF examines in her lecture then, the authentic one can act in whatever way in the moment, and quite paradoxically so. To the usual passerby such a person might come off as completely befuddled, in any case as a person who has no particular aims/goals in this world, which is labelled 'bad', since special personal choice comprises what is usually considered to be of most relevance of all to our concretized materialistic view (in addition, it should be added here that we are not talking about a contrary person who has a merely inconsistent affect, a neurotic tendency to be inconsistent in other words, but about a person who displays a sort of 'grounded spontaneiaty' in the moment, which in any case is most difficult to achieve). In this sense the understanding then revolves around the truth that the only thing which IS consistent is inconsistency, but only when it is of a natural (not an artifical, persona-induced) kind. I find this refreshing as it says to me -- hey, give up the quest, the moment has/is arrived! Thus in every moment, the chance to rest/stop...again to move.... and so on... The maligned suit of Swords in Tarot (because most do not wish to think of suffering, to consciously view it as necessary to our development, such is the sensationalistic state of things today) seems to me to demand just such a set of considerations (from the Ace on up to the 10) .

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Kristin

Again we are faced only with the acceptance of our suffering and the continuation on the path with no view beyond our next step. No amount of discussion will ease the path enough, for it is a black hole of effect, sometimes up and sometimes down, but always with something to reference, if one has the energy to that end. Eventually, the dao wins out. Roger has often discussed this aspect on the forum. But until one arrives at the place where the redemption is quite simply accepted as always present and accounted for, (despite appearances to the contrary), one fribulates, agitates... How ironic it is. One can simply hold the polarity without need to 'expel' the pressure at some point in our development, it is to be hoped! When that point comes, I do not know, as it is elusive. But I sense it is true. When one is tired it seems to be so, for instance. And tiredness is a very good guide to 'knowing' sometimes. As is age and the process of aging. These things can bestow a sort of pressure to stay low in expression. As I am given to express as well, I can only say that these things have been of help to me to find the 'place' beyond the grid. And I say this with the understanding that getting there is only to be accomplished by a grounding of the frequencies, not an agitation of such. Few would believe that this is no flight of inutitive fancy or sensational vision aspect we describe here, the usual 'new age' processed methodology of 'intentionality', such as in the insidious book "the Secret", but a kind of solid instinctual ground that will take us to (a place of) the BEyond. The Beyond, as such, is within us as without. The method to coming to NO method is found through this understanding. While some form of passion yet obsesses us (I say 'obsesses' because passion in and of itself is not the culprit, is natural, whereas obsession is the will to stimulation, which can easily contaminate an honest passion..), we will yet require a constant monitoring, albeit without self-judgement, but thereafter, may we find quieter pastures...

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My post went in before I saw Suzanne's here on 'succubi', that idea of psychic domination which some find ever so erotic to conjure. I hearily agree with you on this, Suzanne. It can be dangerous, there is more than a grain of truth that such entities can/do exist, and this astral contamination aspect requires us to stay clear of it, a form of 'possession', for our own good health. Apart from this, it's all just a bit of an adolescent fantasy to engage in too, isn't it? I don't know the context of course, but Stan Gooch (from Patrick's post above) does come off as a bit of goof to me.

It's rather transparent, seems to me just to revolve around some sort of massive brain f**k aspect all over again. More pornography perhaps for those who want to appear interesting -- ie. set apart from the norm, more 'intellectually developed' perhaps?, and not just plain --- horny...

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My post went in before I saw Suzanne's here on 'succubi', that idea of psychic domination which some find ever so erotic to conjure. I hearily agree with you on this kind of stuff, Suzanne. It can be dangerous, but also, and apart from the grain of truth that such entities can/do exist, and require us to stay uncontaminated by, it's all a bit adolescent isn't it? Stan Gooch sounds like a bit of goof to me in fact.

It's all rather transparent. All of it seems to me just to revolve around some sort of massive brain f**k aspect all over again. More pornography perhaps for those who want to appear interesting too, 'intellectually developed' and not just horny...?

Kristin;)

Hi Kristin, I am still out at the grandkids but had a few minutes to check the forum. I would like to get more into the topic of "grids" or what I call "belief systems" (or other frequencies or dimensions) over the weekend. So much of this is hard to express in words. I use terms like the Beyond because that is what most people can relate to. One experience I had with the One and Only a few months ago was that he was going to take me to the location where our home will be in causal realm after I die. So, we took our little inner journey which I will describe more at some time if I haven't already over on the Blog (I forget the earlier posts sometimes I made.) Well, we wound up this trip back in my bed. So, I asked him, "Where then is our home?" He replied, "We are home. It is here." Later this appeared to have two meanings among a possibility of others. 1. Home is wherever we are together. 2. Our "true home" is always here and now, regardless of wherever we may be, once we have become present and aware as a continuous state of being.

As to the adolescence pf playing sex games in lucid dreaming, I suppose we can be more generous in our portrayal of that, by saying it is a harmless passing phase for some folks if they do not get so obsessively stuck in it that it drags them down into dangerous depravity. The most famous early lucid dream researcher is Stephen LaBerge. I was already having "being conscious in dreams" experiences before I read his or other books about such things. He described the phase he went through of creating scenes like driving down a road in his lucid dream and picking up a gorgeous woman and going off to some hideaway and having great sex with her. That got kind of boring for him after awhile. Once he had it out of his system, he was then able to move on to more sublime pursuits. Of course, some folks perhaps get bored but then pursue more perverse stimulation to keep the excitement level high. That is a danger indeed of he beginnings of a very destructive addiction that can play itself out in the astral but more likely may also result in the individual engaging in sex crimes in the real world.

Some time only in my twenties in age, I was presented with a beautiful rainbow young man as a prospective inner amorous partner. I just said that no, I do not want to do this, go away now. Then, a couple of guides with perhaps others in the background, said to me that because I had "passed the test" of declining the sexual invitation, they were going to reveal to me an important secret to our existence. This secret had to do with the notion that we are somehow all interrelated and interwoven in our identities as in the inifinite mirror images of my recent Leonardo posts as well as the experience Patrick has described in a recent post of his. I had never read about such a thing at the time of this peculiar revelation to me in the late 1960s. If I had just played around with the rainbow sex toy boy, I might not have become aware of a spiritual theme then that has been very significant in my life ever since.

Time for me to go until later. Suzanne

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I don't know the context of course, but Stan Gooch (from Patrick's post above) does come off as a bit of goof to me.I don't know the context of course, but Stan Gooch (from Patrick's post above) does come off as a bit of goof to me.


'The Origins of Psychic Phenomena' by Stan Gooch, Inner Traditions 2007, pg. 16
"I am as unwilling to go into the intimate details of the love making itself as I would be about those of any girl with whom I was having a relationship. I can only say that the experience is totally satisfying - a comment endorsed by Ruth's experience with her incubus-husband, described in chapter 10, and indeed by Carlotta in chapter 2. From some points of view the sex is actually more satisfying than that with a real woman, because in the paranormal encounter archetypal elements are both involved and invoked, a rare event in normal everyday relationships. For my own part, like the heroes of many folktales and fairy stories, I am more than happy to settle for a relationship with a succubus, and the world of real women (but what does 'real' mean?) can go whistle. It is, I must add, perfectly possible to have a lifetime relationship with a succubus, thus: "for forty years Benedict of Berne had kept up amatory commerce with a succubus caled Hermeline" (C. K. Sharpe, Law's Memoriall's 1818)."

There seem to me to be similarities to sexual aspects of the alien abduction phenomena. The exchange of energies between male and female takes many forms, and no doubt this one is totally unsuitable for the vast majority of people. But there are those who make this choice. The victims of alien abduction apparently don't always have a choice. Clearly this is very different to the wonderful interflow that can occur between the hearts of attuned souls, either in the same or in different states of being.

Hope that clarifies my post - I didn't mean to be flippant.

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Hey S,
sex is sex, where consensual, in any case, not borne of some psychological afflication or another. Yeah I'm referring here to any form of perverse over-stimulation (either of self or other --the definition of 'perverse', however, hard to pin down..). As you can perhaps tell, in fact I am really referring to how we tend to 'use' the BRAIN, that sex organ suprem-oh...

As far as where you noted, re. dream researcher LaBerge, who eventually got bored of his same old/same old harmless lucid 'sex' fantasy;

[/quote]..once he had got it out of his system, he was then able to move on to more sublime pursuits.[quote]

For me lately sublime pursuit generally resides solely in the 'chop wood/carry water' experience. In this sense, I don't 'pursue' but rather find an engagement wherever I might meet with it.. I neither identify much with excited sexual acrobatics and the like or with any notion of soaring spiritual experience. Those of the spiritual sort tend in fact to short me out these days -- I have found inspiration there in the past, but very little grounded satifaction. This is for me a very subtle distinction, and it is a very subtle balance we seek between two possible extremes. Sublimity of course can be found in anything. Whether profane or sacred, Kali Durga accepts both ends of the spectrum. The ourobouros does eat it's own tail..

Patrick, yes, there are relationships of every kind taking place on many different planes, certainly which can satisfy people in whatever way they seek for satisfaction. A sense of humour is in any case a very good thing to cultivate (totally get what you mean, btw --!) --

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Thanks, Jan, your unique manner of description bathes the problem in new light. From the way in which you relate the material, it is in fact as if we were already preparing ourselves to view such difficulties as residing in the historical past. We are in some sense already beyond such things, in other words, which is the moment (of course!) when/where they do become most intricately constellated. The crisis peaks... Here on the UM then, we already attempt perhaps a 'retrospective' of this conflicted era which we are a yet part of -- momentarily it seems as if we can suspend ourselves in the face of all the collective tribulation made personal, attempting to work 'backwards' towards the tail only to meet there again 'the head', the germ of the problem.

You might say that as a species our divine dissatisfaction has lead us to a preoccupation with 'divine sex' (Neoplatonic sensibility..) as substitute for the earthly act. In any case, we are precipitively polarized. If we could only reside in symbiotic balance with the inner/outer, a place where Nature/Matter/Mater (Eros) is not 'analyzed', split off, then physical sex could be accepted again at some more reasonable level, where it can indeed provide us with pleasure, contentment, but certainly not, as we seem now to demand, with everything! As it is, it is never enough, thus we go over the top like some crazy fountain in our attempts to get -- and retain (the pressure of 'keeping it up', maintain erection) -- the fantasy. The angels openly meet the devils everywhere we look now -- on the stage, in the bedroom, in our dreams and everywhere else. But within this clash is our eventual way out. Sex is just an advertisement for something else now, while the mystery lurks somewhere at the other end of the spectrum. Can such a 'billboard of sex' however last? Recognition helps to retract this inflation, and I do see this happening here and there a little more now. Maybe it's the situation with the economy. A humility comes upon us, though we may not manage to see it for what it is worth.

Lately there has been a huge resurgence of interest in 'dance' here in North America. We have been so glutted with images of the body perfect, yet now we have these shows which broadcast all kinds of different bodily types and shapes suddenly. The degree of nakedness of the dancers may still be an effect to draw in the viewer, but the fact is that this initial sexualized vision of perfect youth dissolves with the sheer artistry and natural quality brought forward by the dance itself, as well as by the very human personality of these dancers. Suddenly our projection is unable to function in quite the way it has been 'trained' to by the media over all these years. Well, just a sense (with basic example) that something may begin to shift now within this heightened sexualized atmosphere. Let us hope it doesn't go entirely over to the other side, where we project even more onto the 'burka' of the Muslim world.

At any rate, we must get over our urgency to rape, to 'master' the Mystery behind the Veil, and thus further the projection of 'deluge onto matter' as you beautifully describe it Jan, the basis of all these terrible problems we now face...

More personally, I just wanted to add that the drowning aspect you mention above I recognize as exactly the crux aspect in my own acceptance of 'Eros matter' and it's relation to the ever pregnant-yet-empty Void. This getting past a 'fear of drowning' which you so lucidly identify I didn't recognize so much before, but of course would now easily connect also to my having contracted asthma (through respiratory illness at the late age of 39/40, previously no problems with 'breathing' function..). Furthermore, this 'dis-ease' in the heart chakra region is connected to the abandonment issue, a miasm in the world at large, to the constellation of 'disappointment in love' in the collective, which I've spoken on at length elsewhere on the forum. So much can be said here, it becomes unwieldy. To remedy all of this we must return to Svadisthana and Muladhara 'below'. We must reestablish a sense of inherant security first, before we go up to the higher centres. Generally Western society, apart from it's glowing moment symbolized by the Hermetic alchemic 'experiment', has followed the neoplatonic sensibility, pushing upwards for higher understanding at the expense of grounding, 'being at home in the word'. Thus we are 'grown-ups' so-called who were never even really babies! -- as babies we were already removed from the root, from the location of 'calm residing', as it might be poetically described. Not for us the years of real connection with nature then, unless we were able to 'steal' it back for ourselves (because our bodies wanted to be there, because the heart yearned for unsentimentalized Love). These days there are even organizations dedicated to trying to get children back out into natural surroundings. It turns out that many of these little ones are even extremely afraid of it, quite beyond the basic instinctual hesitation -- not all of the kids, but most have great trouble to symbiotically relate back to 'the Green' (the World Soul and her Pan, or the Green Man..). It is as if they never even 'knew' it on the inside of themselves, even as children. Where did this most natural instinct go? How does this happen? This really does go to the depths of the difficulty we now face.

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Some new 11:11 coincidences, now that the topic is over 11111 readings.

Jan I shortened your Great Panda in Great Pan, but it could be lenghtened in Great Pandava, and according to the French translator of Robert Graves the main Pandava is Bhima, standing for the letters BHMA of the Ogham alphabet, the letters which are written with a single stroke.
So BH(i)MA = | | | | (forgetting the line supporting ogham writing)
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See here his correspondance between the five sets of letters and the five Pandavas.

About the exchange on 4/4/44 between Carl Jung and Theodor Haemmerli, I just wondered today which were their saint's days. My dictionary (Catholic) gives for first Saint Charles Nov 4, there are others, and for Saint Théodore Nov 9.
11/4 and 11/9 ! I had my mind on 4/4/44 because of a coincidence in the life of Ruth Roman, who lived really after the wreck of the Andrea Doria a role she played in Three Secrets. Ruth Roman died on 9/9/99, so I remembered such a strange date in Jung's life.
Next morning I woke up with the feeling that 4/4/44 should part Jung's life in 4+1.

Saint Carl on Nov 4 is Carlo Borromeo, whose coat of arms wears famous Borroemans rings.
There are actually much older such rings, sometimes showing Seals of Solomon, like this Egyptian fresque (15th cent)
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It is really a strange phenomenon. I do however not really know what it could mean. I guess you could be right that it would like to show us that we should much more live what I call the "synchronicity quest". I began to live it in the early eighties. I had a dream and then, yet half in a sleeping state went out into the town (Zurich, Switzerland). Perhaps it was some sort of a state of "somnambulism". I let me lead by I don't know whatsoever.

The results were incredible! I met the people I just dreamt of some hours ago. I experienced very similar events I dreamt of just before, and so on. I began to believe that the world is synchronized with my dream world. Like this I began to understand that there is a different state of consciousness, in which we are much more in the flow of life than in our usual consciousness.

I discussed this once with Marie-Louise von Franz. She agreed that we should now begin to ask ourselves how the number and the intensity of synchronicities could perhaps be increased by consciously living such altered states of consciousness. Jung yet thought that syncs are relatively seldom events. I am not convinced anymore of that, since in these states it seems that causality is replaced by synchronicity. It is just a matter of the "sort" of the consciousness. I call this today the difference between the Logos and the Eros consciousness.

A direct result of my "somnambulism" is today that most of my creative writings comes out of synchronicities. I just try to flow with the flow of the Tao.

However, this way of living creatively asks for one big sacrifice: The sacrifice of ambition and of the will to do the things then when our stiff consciousness thinks that it is time to do them. One has to learn to listen to what Carl Jung called the "counter-will" (CW 5) of the collective unconscious. It is the Sulphur of alchemy. If we follow him he is merciful, if not he is absolutely cruel.

This was not easy to accept, I can tell you.

Remo


in your response to Michael's post about the 11:11 phenomenon, I found something interesting, if I am correct. (interesting from my perspective nonetheless)

Yesterday I was 'being witness' to some inner dialogue that was, let's say..."less than stellar". By this I mean that I was potentially dealing with past issues in my mind.

I found it being spiteful, in a sense. My automatic reaction was to lightly shun the thought. I decided that instead of trying to push pass this dialogue I would genuinely 'listen in'.

Here's what I found: The negativity that was being expressed was in disguise. In the words that this 'hurt me' spoke, I found answers to current issues - IN A POSITIVE LIGHT.

I guess the parallel that I draw here is to the counter-will. My instinct was to move the thoughts away, but now I see that in those thoughts are something VERY valuable.

When I say valuable, I mean that my 'entire' being was relaxed (me? relaxed?)... Let me use the term 'peaceful'.


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Here's what I found: The negativity that was being expressed was in disguise. In the words that this 'hurt me' spoke, I found answers to current issues - IN A POSITIVE LIGHT.

I guess the parallel that I draw here is to the counter-will. My instinct was to move the thoughts away, but now I see that in those thoughts are something VERY valuable.

When I say valuable, I mean that my 'entire' being was relaxed (me? relaxed?)... Let me use the term 'peaceful'.
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Yes, pascal, it is a matter of fact that such negative, destructive voices or similar can transform into something positive, if one accepts to let them talk. I think in Jung's A.I. one would fight against them -- as he did with his Anima, the inner Maria Moltzer, who told him that his science is art. He describes this A.I. in MDR.

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No, it is in Analytical Psychology, p. 44

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I appreciate your response Remo

Through the months that I've been reading some material in the forum I came across something that you wrote that I can only paraphrase. It read something to the effect of "consciously choosing schizophrenia", does this relate?

I can see the shamanic reference and it 'pulls' on me to know and accept things.

Also, would Jung have been able to produce images such as he did in his Red Book without some 'tension' between his own opposites? Could that muse of his only have been present and comfortable within what existed between those two poles?

Seems now that it keeps coming back to acceptance - this 'let' thing that has been with me for some time now.

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Jan, your faun link 'took' me here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man


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Lately these numbers have really been 'around'. I have to say that today on the drive home it was a bit much. I decided to pay attention to what I was thinking about when I'd see triplets etc, the moment I thought that I should pay attention my trip odometer read 1110 (happened to glance at a different gauge and caught it). I thought 'close but no cigar', then realized how critical that was. 911 is another and I noticed that in 2006 when this thread was younger Michael had mentioned that this was another significant number for him. There is no doubt that when they are intense like this, something usually follows - good or bad. But I suppose that is the nature of it.

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Through the months that I've been reading some material in the forum I came across something that you wrote that I can only paraphrase. It read something to the effect of "consciously choosing schizophrenia", does this relate?


It was Carl Jung who defined his Active Imagination as an "anticipated psychosis." I would say that also Body-Centered Imagination looks like this. However, the difference to a psychosis is the fact that in it the ego is still alive and does not unconsciously dissolve into the "unconscious." In A.I. it is the Logos ego, in BCI the Eros ego.

In the post OBE and IBE I showed that an expert of OBE defined this state as IBE, In-of-body experience. In my experience, BCI mostly begins with an attack of inner figures. In contrast to Jung's A.I., in which he told us to fight against these figures, I let them "swallow" and "destroy" me. As a young woman with some experience in lucid dreaming had shown to me, this mentality is equivalent to the one in Buddhist Dream Yoga.

When I discussed BCI in the old Jung forum (now "deceased"), I realized that some of these people (all in the US) are in danger to become psychotic. This is why they attacked me. A.I. and also BCI was dangerous for them. With my patients (better: clients) I always ask if they have once taken neuroleptica (anti-psychotic medication). If yes, this is a contraindication for BCI.

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Also, would Jung have been able to produce images such as he did in his Red Book without some 'tension' between his own opposites? Could that muse of his only have been present and comfortable within what existed between those two poles?l


I think that Jung realized the "anticipated psychosis" during his "night sea journey" in 1913 to 1918. He describes this critical phase in his life in his autobiography MDR. There he learned first the meaning of symbolic thinking and second to define the typology (today in CW 6). Many Freudians tell us that in this phase Jung was psychotic. I do not believe this since the result was a very creative new idea: the typology.

It was also during this phase that Jung wrote much of the Red Book (as much as I know). However, as I describe in another place, he was not able to distinguish between the Neoplatonic and the Hermetic world view. Clinging to the former, he developed Active Imagination. The latter leads to Body-Centered Imagination.

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Hey Pascal, Remo,

I swear I wasn't looking around for synchs. Stumbled into this one par hazard, absolutely coincidental and unintentional. It was next to a restaurant called Faun. Simply had to share it! :D Sorry, I should have used a flash, but I guess one can see the numbers / letters?


I would ask myself what SO NOT BERLIN could mean in your specific case.

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