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 Sulamith, the stone and amplifications 
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Post Sulamith, the stone and amplifications
I open a new thread with the post of Michael


Michael wrote:
Remo,

I love the stone. It does seem something that is irresistable to feel.

How did you being sculpting? How do you get a chunk of rock and smooth it so nicely? I'm trying to expand my horizons as an 'artist'. This looks like something that would be a fun project.

Michael


In this thread I'd like to show how Sulamith was created.

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Post The stone
I knew a sculpturer and asked him if I can learn sculpturing, since I felt that I should express myself with the help of the stone. I learned it however more or less autodidactically. Of course first the sculpturer showed me some technical things. But it is not difficult. One needs only some few tools.

In the sculpturer's garage (workshop?) I saw a black stone. It was dispensable and thus I could have it. It was just junk ...

Only now, in writing this, I see the symbolism: It is of course the symbolism of In stercore invenitur / In the dirt we will find it (the lapis, the stone), the motto of the old Alchemists; see http://www.psychovision.ch/hknw/holy_we ... _p1a_e.htm.

Here it is:

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Post The process I
I knew that the stone must become all round. Only now I see that this is of course the symbolism of the "circularizing of the square" the opposite of the squaring of the circle. The former is for me today the process {spirit-psyche -> matter-psyche with potentially higher negentropy (i.e. life)}, ie the first of the twin process of the Holy Wedding. (See viewtopic.php?p=226&highlight=#226 )

This would mean that Sulamith symbolizes first this process, in which the square becomes a circle, i.e. Einstein's causal spacetime "transforms" acausally into the unus mundus (the psychophysical quantum leap). The mythological synonym is the king who enters the womb of the queen. But since Sulamith mirrors also the world -- see later how I did this -- it contains of course also the second process {matter-psyche with potentially higher negentropy -> spirit-psyche with incarnated higher negentropy} of the Hermetic Holy Wedding.

Incredible, how all this is so closely together. I have never seen these connections so clearly. Thanks so much, Michael, for your question.

Thus, I had to find a method how I could get a more or less spheric stone out of a cube. This was a real problem, and the sculpturer was not able to help. Since I liked geometry very much and had a good spatial sense I saw that I must slowly approach (approximate?) the round form. Since I knew that this happens when we construct polygons with more and more angles, I used this method, however of course in the three dimensional space.

Further I knew how the two dimensional form of Sulamith should be and I created a template (molding tool?) of wood. Then I began to cut the stone in this first shape:

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Already like this the stone was a miracle for me.

[Sorry for the many corrections, but the whole thing was not yet very clear to me.]

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Here you see the man who helped the world soul to create Sulamith

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Post The process II
Then I did the same from the other side:

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The result was what I called the cardinal's hat. As much as I remember cardinals wear sometimes such hats.

The stone is already what we call "gestockt" with the "Stockhammer". You see it at the right. It contains some sort of a "fakir bed", and by banging (beating) the stone with the latter, the surface becomes smoother and smoother.

Further it is funny that the stone is not black anymore. The longer I worked at it the brighter it became. I was afraid that it will never become black anymore.

This seems to be an effect of the light's refraction at the surface. Also this was a miracle for me.

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So far, this is pretty fascinating. What does Sulamith mean, exactly?

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Post The process III
Then I went on and the stone become octaconal:

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I guess it was somewhere here -- surely in a very early state -- , when the black liquid was extracted.

See viewtopic.php?p=531&highlight=#531

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Post The process IV
Here a construction detail: At the bottom you see the circle I am approaching with the help of these polygons of 4, 8, 16 ... angles:

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And once again the square and the circle. Also here the idea of the "circularization of the square", like the squaring of the circle a symbol of the Hermetic alchemical process.

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Post The process V
And then it happened: Sulamith was round. It was a great moment! The cube had become some sort of a pregnant woman. Yes, this was my idea when I saw Sulamith like this.

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Post The process VI
Then Sulamith had to be treated with the "Stockhammer" again, since only like this she got smoother and smoother.

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Post The process VII
It was a deeply meditative work. One repeats and repeats always the same, and oscillative exercise. The #9 is the measure of the "fakir bed". One treats the stone first with a relatively rough (crude?) one, and then more and more smoother ones.

The stone became brigther and brighter ...

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Post The process VII
There comes a time where one cannot go on with the "fakir bed". Thus one needs sandpaper. #30 is the measure of the granulation (graining?). As you see, the stone becomes brighter and brighter. [In the web images (jpg) the brightness is less intense than in the original photos.]

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Post The process VIII
Brighter and brighter -- the black stone becomes white. Only now I see that this is of course the symbolism of the exchange of attributes, as in the Tao, when yang/black (red) becomes yin/white (et vice versa; this happened afterward, see below).

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Post The process IX
Now Sulamith is so bright that it begins to disappear. The funny synchronicity is that this is exactly the 11 photo (sulamith11.jpg), and the 9th step of the procedure I describe ... Thus, here Da'ath comes in, the 11th Sefira -- which is in fact hidden: the deus absconditus, the hidden god(dess):

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Post The process X
I knew however that this is not yet the end. Sulamith must have an aperture, an opening, a hole -- the famous valley we talked of in another thread.

But this was an incredibly hard decision. I knew that it is possible that I destroy the hole stone with the next procedure. It was a risk, and I took it. The result:

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[Sulamith was much brighter in reality. However the sun was so bright that my camera darkened everything a little.

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Remo, the stone seems to have an AURA in your pictures. It is so energetic it is making my ears buzz just looking at the pictures - this is very unusual. I have taken pictures that have energy beings in them and I have seen fog around images etc., but with your stone I see colours around it, different in each photo, like its' etheric body keeps changing as you shape it. Meanwhile, the actual physical body of the stone is changing too and, as you say, mimics the alchemic colouration process, turning into white - amazing.

You had a real relationship with this stone. Very intense.


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No - I correct myself :idea:- you have a real relationship with this stone.


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Post The process XI
The same procedure with the "fakir bed" and the sandpaper in the "valley" of Sulamith. She liked it very much ... And here she is once again very bright:

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Post The process XII
When I took smoother and smother sandpaper, Sulamith became dark again. First it was a greenish color. Just beautiful. I liked her very much like this, since she became a symbol of the vegetative nature:

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Post The process XIII
This is the state after the treatment with the smoothest sandpaper:

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One thinks that it is not possible to go further. I was however convinced that Sulamith should become black like the night -- and I saw that she began to show her white stars -- stars in the feminine sky...

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Post The process XIV
My teacher knew of mussels one finds only in one place in the world, somewhere in Greece. I don't know anymore where it is. These mussels are so smooth that they polish a surface in a way one cannot surpass (exceed?). It is the smoothest smooth one can reach in sculpturing.

And who helped us? The mussels of Venus ... the valley of Venus ...

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The nature around us was mirrored in Sulamith.

I was really impressed of what was created out of the collective unconscious or of the unus mundus.

Remo

See also viewtopic.php?p=531&highlight=#531

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Post The Black Madonna in Einsiedeln
Sulamith reminded me always of the head of the Black Madonna in Einsiedeln, since her mouth part looks like a hole:

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Post Hammer and chisel
Cher remo,

I guess what you felt all along this pretty hard work and specially when it was done and you could at last see what it was all about, I guess what you felt is hardly expressible. I guess also that the way you felt driven at each step, the way your chisel was guided each time you used it, the way each drop of your sweat fell, are also inexpressible.

I just wanted to tell you, publicly, that beyond the words I can feel all this, for in my own medium I have been through the same experience...

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The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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There are some lonely wanderers in this world. When a dream told me to open my WebSite in the Internet almost 9 years ago, I did not at all know what this should good be for. But the voice gave this order and I learned to obey it. Thus, it was and still is a very good feeling when I realized that there are more and more such wanderers in the world. I hope that the UNUS MUNDUS forum will be the stone where these wanderers meet (as Marie-Louise von Franz wrote at the end of her Jung biography).

Do not find Roger's English translation. Roger, do you know where it is?

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Remo Roth wrote:
There are some lonely wanderers in this world. When a dream told me to open my WebSite in the Internet almost 9 years ago, I did not at all know what this should good be for. But the voice gave this order and I learned to obey it. Thus, it was and still is a very good feeling when I realized that there are more and more such wanderers in the world. I hope that the UNUS MUNDUS forum will be the stone where these wanderers meet (as Marie-Louise von Franz wrote at the end of her Jung biography).

Do not find Roger's English translation. Roger, do you know where it is?

Remo


Here it is...

http://psychophysical.free.fr/viewtopic.php?p=574#574

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Fire over wood:
THE IMAGE of THE CAULDRON.
Thus the superior man consolidates his fate By making his position correct.
The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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Marie-Louise von Franz:

"How many heroes will now meet with this stone, in order to enter the great adventure of individuation, the inner journey. Today I am convinced that the destiny of our western culture depends upon this."

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And after the Stone the infans solaris?

I had a dream two nights ago. A little baby boy is having a bath in some very clear water in a perfectly square white box. He is sitting up a little, so that only his lower body is in the water. He wear a pair of golden yellow shorts. He has a tiny bit of golden hair, and there is a bit of foam on his face and his chest from the bath. He is laughing, with sparkling eyes, but he isn't making any sound, just comfortable and happy in his perfect little bath.

I can relate this dream to my brother when he was little, but this was not just a personal dream because it had the otherworldy feeling of the acausal realm, which seemed to be the location of the dreamscape.

A lifting of a weight...

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And after the Stone the infans solaris?

I had a dream two nights ago. A little baby boy is having a bath in some very clear water in a perfectly square white box. He is sitting up a little, so that only his lower body is in the water. He wear a pair of golden yellow shorts. He has a tiny bit of golden hair, and there is a bit of foam on his face and his chest from the bath. He is laughing, with sparkling eyes, but he isn't making any sound, just comfortable and happy in his perfect little bath.


Yes, this is the infans solaris. You should now have a careful look what happens around you, synchronictically and magically, since the infans solaris is the magics of real new life, and not just a new intellectual idea. And life expresses itself in nature, in humans, in animals, in plants, in the stars in the sky and in the earth.

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Cher remo,

I guess what you felt all along this pretty hard work and specially when it was done and you could at last see what it was all about, I guess what you felt is hardly expressible. I guess also that the way you felt driven at each step, the way your chisel was guided each time you used it, the way each drop of your sweat fell, are also inexpressible.

I just wanted to tell you, publicly, that beyond the words I can feel all this, for in my own medium I have been through the same experience...

Best

Roger


Thank you very much, Roger.

I guess we can "only" express symbolically what is meant. But since we are talking symbolically, everyone is touched, since she/he feels that we talk about the same invisible roots of the same Tree of Live we are all little parts of.

Remo

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sunrise at midnight! (at midnight I always said 'noon' -
all my life I've done it, and could never change the pattern.
I see something now...don't change the pattern!!!)



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sunrise at midnight! (at midnight I always said 'noon' -
all my life I've done it, and could never change the pattern.
I see something now...don't change the pattern!!!)


Very interesting. I was always fascinated by the "black sun", the sun in the earth, the inverse sun. More and more I see that this is the "king in the womb of the queen", which is in fact the lingam of the yoni, the acausal creation principle of the world soul.

However,

1.
How many roads must a man walk down,
Before you call him a man?
How many seas must a white dove sail,
Before she sleeps in the sand
How many times must a cannonball fly,
Before they're forever banned?

Ref.:
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind,
The answer is blowing in the wind.

2.
How many years can a mountain exist,
Before it is washed to the sea?
How many years can some people exist,
Before they're allowed to be free?
How many times can a man turn his head,
And pretend that he just doesn't see?


Ref.:
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind,
The answer is blowing in the wind.

3.
How many times must a man look up,
Before he can see the sky?
How many ears must one man have,
Before he can hear people cry?
How many deaths will it take, 'till he knows,
That too many people have died?

Ref.: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind,
The answer is blowing in the wind.

Remo

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Thanks Remo. Nice to read those lyrics again under the influence of quite a new perspective...

Have a great day guys.

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Post Return of Sulamith in spring of next year
I talked with the woman I gave Sulamith as a present. She said that no one in her surroundings is interested in the stone. Thus, after her decease Sulamith would be an orphan. She will give it back next spring. I will drive to the South of Switzerland and get Sulamith back then. I like the idea that SHE is with me again.

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