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 Poker Game Dream/ Call or Fold? 
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Post Poker Game Dream/ Call or Fold?
Context: Little Rob is a strong poker player I know. Yet I have not seem him in real life for a while, noted his absence from an impromptu game of poker with some other guys recently.

Dream: Little Rob is playing against another guy in what appears to be a game of three-card poker. I am watching these two play. I know that Little Rob holds three Jacks, JJJ, a very strong hand. The other guy raises the stakes all-in (all his chips into the pot). Little Rob folds his hand. The other guy wins the pot and shows his hand - to me especially - to be a pair of Jacks and a Queen (ordered as JQJ, I think). I am aghast at Little Rob. He folded the winning hand. He should have called the raise. I say to him “You slipped up there, Little Rob, I think you are out of practise.” He protests back at me that he did not slip up, says something about the “three of diamonds.” I am doubtful. It seems an obvious slip up.

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In real life when Little Rob protests about his play of a poker hand I would tend to listen carefully, believe his protest. He is a strong player.

Both little Rob and I won a lot of cash (individually) in a casino one time playing three card poker. I have also had money falling out the sky onto me in a recent dream.

I cut single tarot cards occasionally. My last three cuts were: Knight of Cups (twice) and Justice. These remind me of JJQ. The tarot meanings are similar in one respect. Namely: imagination/dreams are to be put into action, else they remain fantasy only.

The three of diamonds: Diamonds are four sided. Maybe I have that Jungian three/four thing going on here? Possibly reminded of The Hanged Man of tarot too.

Note about Little Rob’s protest: I am not sure if this meant that in actuality his own hand was JJ3 and hence he folded correctly against JJQ and I had actually an incorrect idea that his hand was JJJ.

Thoughts welcome. Should I call the raise? Or fold?


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Post Re: Poker Game Dream/ Call or Fold?
Hi Rob!

I was reading your post and when I got to this part "The tarot meanings are similar in one respect. Namely: imagination/dreams are to be put into action, else they remain fantasy only." I was prompted to post. That's a sticking point for me, also. And, you wrote "Should I call the raise? Or fold?" - whoa, that contains some meaning. Maybe the dream is about the unfolding of your own light. To raise light is to unfold, whereas to fold the light is to deny what 'it' needs to do. 'It' has a universal mind of its own :)

Little Rob as a 'strong player' when seen along side 'I cut single tarot cards occasionally' looks like you're trying to tell yourself something. Tarot plays for spiritual currency, so far as I know. The 3 of diamonds reminds me a lot of that type of cash - which does fall from the sky :)

I would look at the idea of Greater and Lesser Countenance maybe / as well? That is where I went to look, seems there's much to see.

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Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:59 pm
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Post The Role of One-Eyed Jacks
Rob,

In the economy of the psyche (the inner world where different rules apply) you should fold – just like Little Rob did. In the outer world you of course should go all in.

In the inner world holding three Jacks (JJJ) is too masculine – no feminine or acausal aspect is involved. Thus, holding JQJ becomes superior as the feminine principle is now included. Strange enigma - there are five jacks in this game – a possible hint that this is a double deck game of poker; hinting that inner and outer aspects are involved in unraveling this riddle.

Like this it seems you have not yet found the proper attitude with which to approach the World Soul on Her terms. It seems the masculine principle needs to become Her right and left hands so to speak. Did you happen to notice if the JQJ configuration included One-eyed Jacks? Further, did you notice the suit of the Queen? It seems to me the Jack of Hearts would be on the left side of the Queen such that his right eye is towards the Queen (read the World Soul who is in the depths). Like this the left eye of the Jack of Hearts is able to see into ordinary reality and perform in that sphere. Conversely, the Jack of Spades being on the right side of the Queen has its left eye is looking into the depths while the right eye can function in ordinary reality. Thus, I wonder if the cards were (JSQJH). Further, this configuration suggests 3rd eye seeing - to see the opposites as ONE ='s the Queen - for in Her the opposites are united. Learning from that kind of Wisdom is worth the sacrifice of one eye it seems to me.

There are only two one-eyed Jacks in the four suits – the Jack of Hearts and the Jack of Spades. This reminds me of your dream of having an eye ball in the palm of your hands - with hands being the vehicles that create consciousness, i.e, helps unconscious contents incarnate into our 4-Dimensional world of spacetime.

The right attitude with which to approach the World Soul includes many aspects. As noted previously, being a good scribe and keeping a good journal is the first step. Another aspect would be to note any associations that “may” spontaneously arise (don’t go looking for one consciously). A third would be to amplify with images or sketches as it “strikes” you to do so. For example if it is a movie – amplify with the main theme of the movie using Wikipedia or some other source and perhaps a poster image or YouTube trailer of the movie. Then let the enigmas go – don’t try to figure them out. Repeat this “Do Loop” endless times and eventually the World Soul will begin to show you how She weaves all these fragments together into a meaningful whole. This could take a long time. It’s the will-less way of the wu-wei. Don’t be discouraged – it takes a while to learn a certain right attitude with which to approach the World Soul on Her terms. I amplify my above sharing with the following.
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In card games the knave of Spades and the knave of Hearts are referred to as “one-eyed Jacks”.

Knave – A male servant; A man of humble birth; An unprincipled, crafty fellow.

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And like Osiris, the god of the underworld, who also loses one eye, Wotan has to sacrifice his one eye to the well of Mimir, the well of wisdom, which is the unconscious. You see, one eye will remain in the depths or turned toward it. [For Jung's analysis of Wotan, in which he does not specifically deal with this motif, see “Wotan" (1936), in CW, vol. 10.] Thus Jakob Boehme, when he was "enchanted into the center of nature," as he says, wrote his book about the "reversed eye." One of his eyes was turned inward; it kept on looking into the underworld - which amounts to the loss of one eye. He had no longer two eyes for this world. C.G. Jung, The Psychology of KUNDALINI YOGA, pp. 42-59.

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Post Re: Poker Game Dream/ Call or Fold?
Hi pascal,

Yes, I think you are right at “spiritual currency” as mundane matters have prevailed for a while.

Hi Gregory, much thanks for that in-depth look.

I think your first two paragraphs nails it for me. I was tending in this direction too.

I wish I could remember the suits. The best I can do is say that I think JQJ was two black jacks and a red Queen of hearts.

With regard to inner and outer world I am also prompted to note, whether relevant or not, that I was very much half-awake/half asleep when I had this dream. I was aware of this, semi-lucid, say, and trying to maintain it, to continue the dream rather than waking, continue looking within. I succeeded in this a little.

Still working on being a good scribe and associations.

Good to hear from you guys again.

Regards Rob


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Post Re: Poker Game Dream/ Call or Fold?
Hi Rob,

it's funny how it works... conversations on a board by a crew of introverts. It tests one's intuition :o (but then it makes sense that they'd be the ones to communicate through that inner world.)

There was something I omitted from my first post. I noticed there was no king in the mix of cards. I thought of the symbolism in the Joseph and Marie pairing. They are the progenitors of human kind. A step further back and you have the kind and queen, the two polarities of male and female. "Honor thy mother and father", and by extension, honor the pairing of their tangible representatives - joseph and marie (in Christian terms).

As a funny side note, when I first read this I was taken back to a song I remember hearing when I was around 10 or 12 years old. "Queen of Hearts" by Juice Newton. From "Newton" I searched Newtonian Physics (literally laughing as I type this!) and found links related to light and matter... Oh dear :)



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Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:07 pm
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Post Re: Poker Game Dream/ Call or Fold?
Hi pascal,

I think I see what you are getting at.

For me, each player has a JJ (hence equal hands here) and a single other card, Q and J respectively, Q higher value than J.

Little Rob folds his single J to the higher value Q. he does so correctly.

I’m dropping that crafty knave.

Just checked out Juice Newton on youtube. Fun song!


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